You've never seen this in the U.S. until now

"JCAlan" (jcalan) 06/21/2016 at 10:16 • Filed to: None

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That’s an “L” vin. Guess the model and country of origin.

ETA: It’s a Buick Envision

Amoore100 > JCAlan 06/21/2016 at 10:20

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Some Chinese shitbox because SAIC.

Amoore100 > Amoore100 06/21/2016 at 10:21

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Could it be this literal box of shit?

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > JCAlan 06/21/2016 at 10:21

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Chinese Envision because MPV and wheel sizes going up to 19".

EL_ULY > JCAlan 06/21/2016 at 10:22

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is it that little Buick from China? Our Volvo S60 Inscription’s VIN starts with L. Only non Swedish Volvo we sell

Jcarr > JCAlan 06/21/2016 at 10:25

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The new Buick crossover.

Rainbow > JCAlan 06/21/2016 at 10:28

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LRB Foxy Sex God.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > JCAlan 06/21/2016 at 10:31

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China, that Buick mini crossover thingy.

Cé hé sin > JCAlan 06/21/2016 at 10:31

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Tyre pressure in KPA? New one to me. I’ve only ever heard of pressure in bar and PSI.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > JCAlan 06/21/2016 at 10:34

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Chinese Buick

Where have all the lightweights gone? > JCAlan 06/21/2016 at 10:43

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Is it South Korea? I know the Trax is Daewoo-based.

Svart Smart, traded in his Smart > JCAlan 06/21/2016 at 10:44

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Buick Envision; China.

Dave the car guy , still here > JCAlan 06/21/2016 at 10:49

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My bet is this...

I’d say its a Buick Envision made in the Yanyai North plant (maybe Dong Yue?) by Shanghai GM . Has the 2.0 4 cyl turbo with VVT set up for E15 , aluminum 19" wheels, black/nuetral leather interior, Subterranian metallic paint. Really surprised at that it has active noise cancellation , rear camera, glasses pocket and garage door openers. Am I wrong? Whats really weird is its optioned with the E15 code FJW but the main engine spec says E85.

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > JCAlan 06/21/2016 at 10:56

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Has to be a Buick Envision.

E90M3 > Cé hé sin 06/21/2016 at 10:56

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There’s a lot of different units of measurement of pressure: ATM, mmHg, etc. Also 100 kPa = 1 bar. When I was a chemical engineering student and got to choose the units I used, I used bar, it makes the most sense to me. Despite being an American, I’d prefer if we’d use the metric system, the most annoying thing was when a professor taught in English units. What the fuck is a slug.

JCAlan > Amoore100 06/21/2016 at 10:57

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I had to google “SAIC” and still don’t know what it is. Science Applications International Corporation? School of the Art Intstitute of Chicago? Neither of those sound right...

JCAlan > Amoore100 06/21/2016 at 10:57

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No, thank GOd.

JCAlan > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 06/21/2016 at 10:58

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Good sleuthing, sir!

JCAlan > EL_ULY 06/21/2016 at 10:58

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I did not know that!

JCAlan > Cé hé sin 06/21/2016 at 10:58

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Hmmm. I’ll have to check some other models to see if they list it that way too. I think they do,..

JCAlan > Where have all the lightweights gone? 06/21/2016 at 10:59

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Korean cars start with K

JCAlan > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 06/21/2016 at 10:59

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Ding ding ding

JCAlan > Svart Smart, traded in his Smart 06/21/2016 at 10:59

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yep

JCAlan > G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 06/21/2016 at 10:59

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you got it.

JCAlan > Jcarr 06/21/2016 at 10:59

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yep

JCAlan > Dave the car guy , still here 06/21/2016 at 11:01

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Amazingly specific! Someone has GlobalConnect access lol...

Dave the car guy , still here > JCAlan 06/21/2016 at 11:02

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yep, many many years in dealerships for GM but also have Toyota, Ford, Nissan and other makes experience.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > JCAlan 06/21/2016 at 11:03

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Buick needs to stop moving downmarket.

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > E90M3 06/21/2016 at 11:08

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A slug is a standard American unit of mass, the analogue to the kilogram. Lbs are a unit of weight, with their metric analogue being Newtons. Lbs and kg are not comparable units.

E90M3 > gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee 06/21/2016 at 11:10

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I mean that’s why you have lbm and lbf.

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > Cé hé sin 06/21/2016 at 11:11

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As a Canadian, I can’t remember seeing a tire gauge with bar on it, only kPa. Of course I also haven’t met many people who don’t just flip it around and use the psi side.

Probenja > JCAlan 06/21/2016 at 11:32

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Its a Chinese car maker, it makes a lot of models for GM, VW and Iveco:

http://www.saicgroup.com/english/invest…

And they have own brands such as LDV (Maxus), MG Motors and Roewe.

Amoore100 > JCAlan 06/21/2016 at 11:35

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Definitely good then ;)

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > E90M3 06/21/2016 at 11:58

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Too much potential for confusion. I don’t know how much the mass and weight would matter to a chemical engineer (not being condescending, I literally don’t know) but if you get into aerospace stuff (my educational background is in mechanical engineering) where the weight of an object does change significantly, it plays a pretty big role. Clarity is always good.

Slug is also just such a good name for a unit. Short, sweet, and to the point.

Amoore100 > JCAlan 06/21/2016 at 12:06

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Probenja is right, it’s a manufacturer based in Shanghai which many Western automakers license models for them to build. The acronym itself stands for Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation, thus SAIC. Likely this new Buick was produced by SAIC in China. (Well that goes back to the L VIN question...)

Cé hé sin > gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee 06/21/2016 at 12:06

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Must be a North American thing - my JDM car has its pressure requirements printed on the usual sticker on the door frame in bar and the pressure gauges I see are all bar/psi.

Mind you I recall seeing a Transit van which had weight limits printed on some part or other in N rather than the usual kg..

Cé hé sin > gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee 06/21/2016 at 12:07

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It is? I know they use some odd units in America but a “slug” is a new one to me. Is it commonly used, as in “my car weighs 3,000 slugs” or whatever?

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > Cé hé sin 06/21/2016 at 12:11

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No, the slug is not commonly used at all. Most people wouldn’t even know what it is.

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > Cé hé sin 06/21/2016 at 12:29

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All my Niva’s Canadian stickers use kg, but the repair manuals etc (translated directly and somewhat crudely from Russian) all have weights in N. I had to get an alignment done as part of a safety inspection, and obviously the shop didn’t have the specs, so I printed them off the pages from the manual... they got the alignment wrong the first time because they couldn’t figure out how to create a “static load of 3140N” on the vehicle. Why the alignment is supposed to be done loaded I don't know, but that weight is roughly equivalent to four passengers and 80lbs in the trunk. Effectively a full load.

Sweet Trav > JCAlan 06/21/2016 at 13:23

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How does it ride? I have a lot of product in that car.

torque > JCAlan 06/21/2016 at 14:03

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I get that “L” is supposed to mean it was built in China, but what does the “L” actually stand for?

fintail > EL_ULY 06/21/2016 at 14:05

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Have any actually sold? I am in decent Volvo-country where some people appreciate unusual cars, and haven’t seen one.

I call those LWB normal cars “centipedes” or “dachshunds” due to the stretched look.

EL_ULY > fintail 06/21/2016 at 14:25

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We sold 1 to a customer and a couple for fleet. I think a hotel

JCAlan > Sweet Trav 06/21/2016 at 14:57

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It actually rides very well. On par with an Enclave in my opinion. The interior looks fantastic. This will be a good seller.

JCAlan > torque 06/21/2016 at 15:05

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No idea. I was surprised it was an L and not a C or whatever. It’s just a regional designation, doesn’t have to stand for something I guess. For instance, USA is 1 (because ‘merica #1!!), Canada and Mexico are 2 and 3. Japan is J, and South Korea is K, Germany is W, but from there is gets hazy. Looks like C is locked up by Benin (wherever that is), Madagascar (and Madagascar 2), and Tunisia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_i…

ranwhenparked > JCAlan 06/21/2016 at 22:43

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Oh, we’ve seen it before. Just not on anything with a real chance in the market.

ranwhenparked > JCAlan 06/22/2016 at 15:08

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It originally stood for Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation, but their publicly traded offshoot is known simply as SAIC Motor Corp., and their joint venture with GM is officially SAIC General Motors.

I’ve heard some people- mainly MG Rover (remember them?) executives - pronounce it as a word “Say-Ick”, but most just pronounce the letters.